In Stockholm Sweden, in 1973 a man entered a bank and took 4 bank employees hostage. He forced the employees into the vault at gun point and gave his demands to police. After a siege of about 6 days, police fired tear gas into the bank, which allowed them to free the hostages and arrest the bank robber. It is alleged that one of the hostages continued a relationship with the bank robber and after he served his ten year sentence they became engaged.
Janet met Jeff in 2005. After a world wind courtship, they quickly moved in together. Almost immediately afterword, Janet noticed a change in Jeff. The man, who had once been so free with his compliments and kindness, was now obsessively cruel and critical. According to Janet, Jeff started a reign of terror, flying into rages when things didn’t go his way. He continued to demean, humiliate and verbally assault her at almost every turn. His verbal assault soon escalated into physical abuse. He isolated her from family and friends and blamed her for all the misery in his life. When the physical abuse first started she left him, but after repeated reassurances from him that it wouldn’t happen again and grandiose displays of remorse, she relented and moved back in with him. The pattern of abuse, followed by periods of remorse continued and Janet now has 2 children and remains in the relationship.
These two examples are what is now commonly referred to as a trauma bond. The first being the infamous story behind the term Stockholm Syndrome. According to Dr. Patrick Carnes, author of The Betrayal Bond: Breaking Free of Exploitive Relationships; a trauma bond is any relationship that seems to defy logic. He states that trauma bonds can happen to anybody, at any time. They can develop fairly quickly and are extremely difficult to sever.
According to Carnes, in order for a trauma bond to develop three elements must be present. There must be:
- A power differential (One person behaves in an oppressive, controlling and dominant manner).
- Intermittent rewards (Random moments of kindness and tenderness, mixed in with painful and hurtful treatment).
- Periods of high arousal (defined as intense feelings of fear, anxiety, excitement, or any emotion that puts your nervous system on high alert) followed by periods of intense bonding.
Trauma bonds do not only exist in extreme situations, where life and death are at stake. While they do most commonly develop in victims of kidnappings, incest survivors, prisoners of war and battered women, a parallel can be drawn to victims of Narcissistic abuse.
The most common theme I receive from my emails is that despite all of the pain their relationships have caused them, the overwhelming majority of individuals that have dated Narcissists are still in love with them and want them back after they have been discarded. Most refer to themselves as weak and pathetic, lacking in willpower, self-esteem and emotional strength, but there is a lot more going on than just a low self-esteem and a lack of will.
Carnes tells us that, “Logic would say that using fear and threats are not a good way to gain cooperation and loyalty. The irony is that in a perverse way it is. Fear immobilizes and deepens attachment.”
Oppression creates dependency. Anytime we give, or someone takes away our personal power, we become bound to their will. We become weak, needy, anxious and fearful. I discussed in a previous blog the effects of intermittent rewards – how experiments with primates playing with a fruit slot machine that paid out intermittently caused them to play with it all day, as opposed to the effects when fruit was given every time they pulled the lever, or when fruit never came out when they pulled the lever. When we cannot predict when a reward (kindness, affection) will be given, it causes us to intensify our focus and our efforts and it is the premise behind gambling addiction. In relationships these aspects cause a type of emotional addiction, where we develop a deep emotional attachment to the object of our abuse.
Consider for a moment, two combat veterans, who have both been witness to and participated in the atrocities of war. The depth of their attachment to each other forms from their shared and deeply troubling experiences. An experience that they know civilians could never understand.
The same can be said for the atrocities that go on in a relationship with a Narcissist. Many have said that they have never felt such a deep connection to anyone before. They call their abuser their best friend, or even their soul mate. But the connection does not come from reciprocal love, kindness and trust. It lies in the high emotional charge from the trauma. Shared trauma deepens connection.
This begs the question: How can you feel such a strong connection to the actual person that is responsible for the trauma and the pain? Along with what we’ve mentioned above there are two other reasons: disassociation and identification with the aggressor.
Disassociation
Disassociation is a big Psychology buzz word. A simple definition would be when we are in the midst of a trauma we let our minds go somewhere else. It’s a defense mechanism that allows us to escape from the reality that is going on around us. When we disassociate, those experiences do not integrate with our memory the way that normal thoughts and experiences do, it’s hidden in our subconscious and in some cases, can only be retrieved through hypnosis.
So when we ‘tune out’ the bad behavior of an abuser all that is available to our conscious mind are those intermittent moments of good behavior. This is why many of us, after we’ve been discarded, are only able to think about the few good times we’ve shared with them and why all the bad memories seem to be inaccessible. We know they’re there, but they are not sitting in the foreground of our conscious mind the way that the normal memories would be.
Identification with the Aggressor
If you said to your child every day, “You’re useless. You will always be good for nothing,” what do you think would happen to that child’s belief about themselves? When something is repeated and repeated to us, we start to internalize and accept that opinion as truth. This is the concept behind identification with the aggressor.
Narcissists like to spout off about a lot of things. They are extremely critical and their objective is to create obedience and dependence. When someone is telling us over and over and even showing us, that we don’t matter, that we are worthless, we will start to internalize those beliefs.
What happens is that we start to believe that we are deserving of the poor treatment we are receiving, that we are the cause our partner’s eruptions and any abuse that follows. It becomes all too easy for victims of this type of abuse to accept the responsibility for other people’s bad behavior and we come to believe that they are right about us. Heaven forbid that you even have a few negative beliefs about yourself to begin with, for with this type of onslaught, they will be able to convince you that you are the worst person that has ever lived.
Aside from all the emotional and psychological reasons that we continue to stay in, or even long for our abusive relationships once they’ve ended, there are biological components as well. When someone is flying off the handle at us, our nervous system is on high alert, preparing us to fight or take flight. When we are constantly in this high state of arousal our nervous system become accustomed to the high levels of stress hormones our bodies are producing. We create and cement neural pathways, which will in future make all ‘normal’ relationships seem boring and uninteresting. This happens because they cannot produce those same high arousal feelings that we have become accustomed to and that we have come to believe are deep love and connection.
The hormone Oxytocin (the bonding hormone) plays a role too. Carnes tells us that, “women tend to tend and mend, “when their partner is exhibiting outrageous behavior, rather than walk away and leave them to their own misery.
So the next time you are beating yourself up for feeling weak and pathetic about missing and even loving someone that caused you considerable harm, remember that trauma creates deep attachment bonds and there are a lot of emotional, psychological and even physiological factors at play, all of which are causing you to crave the very person that causes you the most harm.
You can physically walk away from your abuser – just like a heroin addict can stop abusing drugs – it will end the physiological addiction, but it doesn’t even touch the emotional and psychological aspects of the problem. Until you tackle those issues, just like the drug addict, you are bound to relapse – it may or may not be with the same individual, but you will seek out people that create those high arousal states in you.
Next week we will talk about breaking those bonds for good.
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It’s my daughter
This article really hit home with me. I was married to my abuser for 26 years. He’s not diagnosed, but he has a lot of characteristics of a narcissist and someone w/ borderline personality. I was terrified of him, but convinced I was defective and caused all the problems. My girls became targets as soon as were old enough to have their own opinions. The thing is that he is so charming and nice and considerate to me now. I’m getting the nice guy that I dated way back when; the nice guy that is his public persona. It makes me feel crazy all over again. I can’t even look at him because I’m so afraid I’ll get drawn back in. The pull is so strong, and I still don’t trust myself to know what’s right or wrong…There are so many things I don’t understand…I’ve made a lot of progress in counseling. I filed for divorce, I’m making it on my own, I just bought a house on my own and have made a cozy home for me and my youngest daughter. So much healthy progress, but I still feel like a failure, I think I still love him. My girls say he’s really trying to change, he’s doing better, and that makes me think I probably made a huge mistake…did any of it really happen?? So many people love him – he’s charming, he’s bigger than life, he’s Superman and I’m just me…I am so tired. I so wish I was stronger and more confident!
Please! Don’t do it! Don’t go back! My abuser was my husband for 35 yrs! I met him at age 15. When he announced he was discarding me after 35 years of verbal abuse and refusing to live in the same home for over 20 yrs. I was shell shocked. I knew he had a crack addiction but I had no idea he had been sleeping w all kinds of women for yrs. He has never apologized or taken ownership of his behavior. When he announced w a smile on his face he was in a relationship for over 1 yr now my adult son begged me to call him and say sorry and ask him to come home! I did it & he stayed 3 days. Then he announced he couldn’t fake it anymore and he was going back to his girlfriend. It was a punch in the gut! It was a lesson I will never forget. A narcissist can not change! He is not capable of real change. It was another chance for him to be cruel and abusive and he was not going to pass up the chance to twist the knife in my back. I have been in very intense therapy for addiction. My brain has been chemically change by my abuser and his relentless abuse. The trauma bond I share w him is strong. It will take alot of work to be free. Narcissists that get no professional help are not better! They are not well! He is smarter at this game than u can ever know! Please stay away from him. Your daughters are not equipped to evaluate a real recovery and that’s cuz it take years of therapy for a Narcissist to change. Most won’t even admit they have the problem. Please please seek a professionals opinion. Someone who knows the real pain and abuse u suffered was not made up!
God bless u
Take care of u!
Jackie
What an excellent article! The more I read, the more I am amazed that I’m not the only person that has been through this. Even though I was discarded more than a year ago I am still learning so much about what really happened in my life. I was so naive that I didn’t know there were people so evil in this world. I did figure out that I was addicted to this man and couldn’t figure out why. This is the first article I have read that actually calls it an addiction. I really thought I was losing my mind. I am so glad I found Pinterest. Reading about these toxic relationships with narcs and sociopaths is helping me get my life back. Thank you so much for such excellent information. I will continue to read all I can and to educate myself so it NEVER happens to me again.
This article speaks volumes the sad thing is when you tell them about their behavior they get really upset which is true…I was currently in a situation like that so far I’ve only been gone for two days but I think I’m having that trauma bond because I’m happy that I’m out but I can’t stop thinking how insane he was…no wonder in the middle of the relationship he says things like “i’m not done with you as yet”never tell me what he meant by that but thanks to article like these I’m not blind to the facade no more I finally figured him out and he gets very angry so all this time he was just conditioning me to make me into his puppet but no way I’m taking my strength back no more nice lady….
I think FreedFromNarcissm and I were involved with the same person. I have a stomach ache now.
Your stories are liberating. I went through something so very similar. It all started with “I’ve had a crush on you since high school”…apparently this was My Narc’s “MO”. I was not the only one he pulled this on. Come to find out he pulled this on my BEST FRIEND from Elementary School as well. He had NO CLUE that we had been best friends forever. It took me a year to see through the lies and the BS. I was “fresh meat” to him. Later in the relationship I called him out and asked him what his deal with. He says, “I’m a SEX ADDICT”…This was only part of the story. After cheating on me twice that I knew of I accepted it at first. The last straw for me was when one of his best friend’s got married and he invited another married with him to his friend’s Jack n Jill. I found out through a very close High school friend. From that moment on I knew what must be done. My withdrawing process had begun. I made HIM a discard before he could return the favor. I honestly could right a book about the mind of a Narcissist having experience it first hand. Narcissists make their own time. They look for women that are in serious relationships or relationships that are shaky at best. Mine used the “I want a family” line on me so many times it would make your head spin. Come to find out he was impotent. His goal was simple…to get me away from husband to that he was the only male in my life. He also likes kids so he made a play for mine. He things like, “I really love your daughter…I’d love being her step-Dad”.” I fell for this one hook, line, and sinker. She was greatly affected by all of this too. I took the move of cutting myself off from him…emails, phone, Facebook, Google+…he is blocked from my World. When his life sucks he tries to make a reappearance in my life. The last time he tried he was ignored completely. Like all Narcissists they want to know one thing that they have Control. What he never took into consideration was. I’m a SUBMISSIVE…and any one in the BDSM community knows. The Submissive is truly the one that holds all the Power. It was the one thing that was forgotten. I will hold strong and never EVER let him re-enter my life. PEACE and LOVE to HE THAT HURT ME…because he will NEVER be let back in my life. Here’s one more thing to be careful of…When he tried to come back he said this: “I missed you so much…I tried to kill myself and I have been drinking Heavily. I’m gonna be dead soon.”…You won’t believe this I said…”GOOOD GET IT OVER WITH ALREADY”….I’m done with GAMES. I applaud all of you MEN and WOMEN that were able to get away from this. Mine was such a classic case. To be free of it means you have risen again like the Pheonix <3 My freedom from Him is emblazoned on my back…the PHEONIX TATTOO on my back is my freedom. Much Love. ~ FreedFromNarcissism
Betty Garrison
I would like to share my story:
We met on line – a singles site. He told me he was separated. And that he was only looking for a “friend”. Yet he was sexual with me from the get go – asking my sexual preferences, being very flirtatious with me. He is EXTREMELY charming and flirtatious. When his wife found about me she filed for divorce. She had been through this many times before I am guessing. Of course, his version is that she is crazy and was always crazy jealous. His family thought we had been having an affair for years prior.
He told me from the beginning that woman are attracted to his aura and his confidence. My teenage children and family thought he was very arrogant. He told me he had a lot of female “friends” and he talked to them on the phone often. He also had a long-term friendship with an elderly woman. She paid for a lot of things after his divorce. He would spend the night with her. He said she could not know about me due to her age, she would not be able to remain friends with him if she knew he had a new love. Later I found it had nothing to do with her age or health, she was in love with him.
My family also felt he was controlling me and isolating me from my family. I thought he was just doting on me. We did EVERYTHING together. Of course I did not want to be away from him because every time he left me, he called a woman or went to visit a woman. I could go on and on about all the women who came and went as “friends” and even stories he told me about his relationships in the past and the infidelities he had within his marriage (of course all justified due to his wife’s not loving him and her insane jealousy).
He was obsessed with being loved. Told me he could not have negativity in his life. He had no sexual boundaries – women texted him nude photos; he had sex with his son’s wife and she also sent him nude photos via email; and he had sexual experiences with my 18-year-old daughter to “help her grow and mature and gain confidence”.
I bought all of this nonsense. He was the master of explanations and justifications. The guilt from the impact to my daughter was just too much. I finally moved out 7 months ago while he was at work. He has sucked me back in a couple of times. I finally also found a good counselor (she had seen us as a couple) and she explained to me why I was having such difficulty leaving him for good – he was a classic narc. She suggested that I have NO contact at all as I was an addict and he was my drug.
I pay for his cell phone bill and I have access to his phone records. Even though I have told him we are through, I look at his cell phone logs. He has a new woman he is taking to for HOURS each day. He can’t live without a woman to talk to on the phone. Because it is only phone conversations it is ok, he says. I can’t take it. It makes me crazy.
Reading your post on this blog and your comments have helped me tremendously. I have news resolve to cut off contact. He owes me a LOT of money and still have some of my things at his house but I have to let go as I am keeping in contact in hopes of getting those things. I will never get them and if I do, the price is too high.
This page came to me just in the nick of time. I was the Other Woman to my narcissist. He said he was separated. He was not. When his wife found about me, she filed for divorce. She was tired of all the infidelities. He had “friends”. I was just a “friend” even though he found me on a singles site and from the get go he was sexual with me. He is EXTREMELY charming. He flirts like no tomorrow. I have felt like I was going crazy during our 7 year relationship. He also had sex with his son’s wife and he “helped” my 18-year-old daughter to “grow sexually”. I am so hurt, distraught over this all. He has NO sexual boundaries. And constantly has female “friends”. He talks on the phone non stop to them. And has had some “friends” send sexual photos and text messages. HIs daughter in law even sent naked photos to his email that I found. It was all so disgusting. I felt like I don’t know up from down. I moved out wile he was at work 7 months ago. I’ve been sucked back several times now. My new counselor has helped me a great deal realize he is a classic narc and my only hope is no contact. This website reinforces everything she is saying. I chose my name on here to inspire me to stay strong an stay away from him. HUGS all
i have had a narc in my life for 19 years…its been hell.. but i do believe that they can transform and change — and i feel horrible that he may be suffering from this his entire life. what can be done to really help them. i think part of it is spiritual. i tell him to pray and ask god for deliverence. but isnt there any therapy or even meds or brain treatments that can turn this around for them. he is aware he has it. he feels like max expressed.. powerless to change. can’t hypnotism work to release the mental / psychological block?
”Until you tackle those issues, just like the drug addict, you are bound to relapse – it may or may not be with the same individual, but you will seek out people that create those high arousal states in you.”
This is so true and very powerful when applied! Thank you so much for this. I’m learning so much. I have a lot to ponder on.
I was married to my narcissist for over 25 years. The pattern was: I would catch him misbehaving, we’d go to counseling, I’d come away believing I had to change. For example, back in the 90’s I found a cassette tape of his profile for a dating service (pre-internet.) For 25 years we saw the same counselor. My narcissist said he made the tape but never sent it. He was just unhappy with things and THOUGHT about sending it. That kind of event, where I found something, we went to counseling, I came away feeling like it was my fault defined our relationship. I would ask the psychologist what he thought and he’d say he didn’t think my narcissist was actually cheating on me. How could I leave someone who wasn’t cheating on me and was just “acting out” because I was, jealous, not giving him enough freedom, didn’t trust him, etc. The psychologist even turned it back on me needing to change something. Two years ago through a weird series of events, and a coincidental serious health scare for my narcissist, I learned the entire extent of his infidelities. How could he even charm and fool our psychologist. He is that charming, that disarming. A coworker of my narcissist said that he seduced people for a living. It was why he was so successful at what he did. How do you ever find a normal man enough when you’ve lived with someone that good at what he does for 25 years. I still don’t understand the psychologist’s inability to see through him. Did he see it and just not tell me?
married 17 years this saturday. i got as far as our final court date when he said ” i dont want this”.. i said me neither.. (dumb) and i changed to a legal separation. he promised change but all i got were more bad memories. it is addiction. there is no love, no respect, no romance. i was his mother.. nothing more, nothing less. god help me .. i must see the frikkin light once and for all. i need to get out. best of luck to all of you.
What I’m realizing is that I was never “in love” with this person. In fact, I don’t even know who this person is. I was “in love” with the idea of “being in love.”
I never found this man physically attractive. In fact, he has many physical attributes that I put on my “don’t” list. Ironically, I was coming out of a 3.5 year court battle with a Narcissist and found his words to me to be so loving, that I wanted to try to be with a “loving, kind man” and didn’t go for looks.
He came on so strong,so quickly, that I really didn’t even have time to say “no.”
The mean words, making me wait for hours, last minute cancellations, dramatic stories and lies, and ignoring didn’t begin right away. Only after I was “hooked.”
I don’t drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs. He became my addiction. I became obsessed. And then he’d disappear. This action caused me such internal pain and suffering. He wasn’t “doing this to me.” I was doing this to me. I was choosing to take him back only to repeat the same sequence of events, feelings, and then abandonment.
My attempt to make my lack of self-esteem from childhood better only became the same level as my current adult lack of self esteem.
I’ve also read that when a man ejaculates inside of a woman, that the cum can stay inside for up to 10 days and also causes women to bond/attach to the man.
I can count all of the things I don’t like about this man and yet, I still want to be with him and only him. I crave him. I feel so messed up!!!
It sounds to me like you’ve had a massive ah-ha moment and you finally figured it all out. I wouldn’t beat yourself up at all. Awareness is the first step to healing and you my dear, are on your way. Congrats!!!
Do thoughts about our past narcissists ever go away? Sometimes I feel like he will never get out of my head- w / o even contacting him. I hope someday I can forget about how he stole my innocence.
I’m so happy to run across this site while desperate for validation. I feel lucky:) I was with a violent N three years ago and was discarded after two and a half of the worst years of my life. I was just getting over him when I met another Mr. wonderful on match.com (my sister set me up a 6 month account for my birthday) He would not take no for an answer to any of my concerns to not move so fast. I joked with him and said he was worse that the water torture of the drip, drip, drip…lol
He was charming, fun, exciting, offered trips that I said no to then after a few months I would give in. It was 9 months of me leaving him and coming back. I finally moved in with him (at his constant badgering) and lasted a month.he always told me that my having a heart for God and a heart like his moms was what made me the most special woman hed ever met. he had waited for me all of his life and I was the “love of his life” He adored me and I worshiped him. Until i started getting more attention form neighbors, family and friends. Then the cold hearted distance, secretiveness, cutdowns etc bacame the norm without remorse. I left one day after the little stabs and humiliating barbs and undermines began and he said something harsh that hurt me ( I am sensitive, but it would hurt most anyone I think). He blamed me for being hurt and would never, ever apologize for anything. Even the worst, most obvious insults to me. He said I was too sensitive and had low self esteem for always needing him to say he was sorry. I really didn’t need him to apologize. I knew he was wrong and validated myself. I needed to see that he could, that he had empathy for my hurt feelings. He said god didn’t convict him of anything and he didn’t do anything wrong, it was all me. He was dramatic, pushed me away when I tried to show him love etc then blamed me for being dramatic and cold. I truly was never dramatic and not ever cold. I sacrificed myself constantly until after I moved back in the second time. Then I realized he would never validate my hurt (inflicted by him alone) and would remind me of my low self esteem often in an artificially “concerned” yet hurtful covert manner. It was confusing. I saw through it. I packed my stuff when he was on his first day of a four day biz trip and told him that day. This gave me four days to get out and adjust. I lived in my car for 5 days and then knew I wouldn’t go back so i moved in with my sweet sister and am one week out of it. He decided to email me some very, very hurtful letters and wrote things that were so blown up and exaggerated (as if he were showing them to others to validate himself) More mind games and smearing going on. I finally told him after he spelled out in an email all about how I was shuttled from “foster home to foster home, ignored by my real parents and used by men so the problems are mine because that would mess anyone up” and than went on to falsely encourage me to keep being a “resilient fighter” blah blah blah,,,
I quickly saw that he was setting me up for a big one so I simply left him. he wouldnt stop with the covert hurtfulness so i emailed him back and told him that I had been getting counselling from the first month we met and that my counselor had many times recommended that I leave the relationship and never look back. OMG, That made him get seething and say to me “I wish you the best(if you even know what you want) and hope you don’t revert back to abusive relationships because that’s what abused women do they cant be in a healthy one I love you and good luck”.
I immediately saw that he was trying to get my power from me and hurt me one last time so I sent him my last email and told him “you cannot make me second guess my self anymore, I do know what I want and it is not someone as deeply disturbed and covertly abusive as you. I had one of my friends at the police dept help me do a dating site search on you and found that you have been turned in more than once for questionable tactics and I also talked to someone on the phone who knows you very well and validated all of my concerns, I also share all of our corresponding with my therapist and am telling you right now to never contact me again”
WOW! I know I injured him with that email.It stopped him cold but now I fear retaliation of some kind as he is very wealthy and cannot stand the idea I talked to someone and shared our emails etc…I exposed him only he has no idea to whom and how and it is driving him mad! I am free. I burned the bridge and sabotaged me ever going back. I know that whatever he says to me to charm me will only set me up for the kill. If I go back he will wait and utterly destroy me while i’m thinking he has changed. I know better. I love him. I miss the him that I love. I also know that I had to do it this way to survive. I used his own toxins on him and feel bad for it. I will forgive myself and hopefully learn my lesson once and for all. OMG!! I’m free…I think…I hope :)))
What you wrote here really touched a cord with me. This is exactly what is happening with me two months out of an extremely harmful and dangerous relationship. I KNOW that I am craving something that is really, really unhealthy for me.
Sometimes I wonder if what I really want is for him to at some point say that he actually cared for me. I know that he probably didn’t, at least not in a way that most of us would define as “caring”.
I was married to a Narcist for 19 years before divorcing him. Sadly my daughter is married to one. It’s painful to watch her experience this without awareness. Look forward to next week’s blog about breaking the bonds. Thank you for this enlighting article.
Thanks for the timely article. I’ve been through a 5-month wait of a 6-month divorce procedings, and over Christmas I’ve nearly capitulated. He showed JUST A LITTLE BIT of insight and my mind is suddenly running to the place where I say WE CAN HAVE A LIFE TOGETHER NOW. EVEN IF HE IS NARCISSISTIC, I AM BETTER, SO I WILL BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND THE FEW ATTACKS HE MAKES. Like, right. As my therapist will say this week, “he hooked you in.” Yep. All the things; I feel sorry for him is the biggest, and looking back to where we started our relationship 25 years ago, I start thinking that I am his missing piece. With me, his life will be whole. Of course it won’t. I will never be able to meet his needs to his satisfaction. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No contact. that needs to be my New Year’s Resolution, and Raising Happiness is helping me to develop and keep new habits. I must substitute something for the trigger of his initiating contact–or ME initiating contact. Work to be done here.
Thank you for this article. I look forward to the one on breaking this death grip of a bond. At almost two years after I was abruptly discarded and immediately replaced with a new target, whom he married, I am still missing what I thought I had and lost, regardless of my logical therapists mind telling me he was a pathological narcissist and treated me terrible in the devaluing stage and discarding stage of the relationship. Logically how can I ever think of him again? I moved 1500 miles to not ever see him again and still my thoughts followed. You know what they say in Psychology, where ever you go, there you are. Thank you for explaining the multi levels of this sad bond.
I agree…we are addicts!!! Im looking forward to next weeks post as I continue to relapse. My problem is that we share children so I deal with him almost daily. With a drug you flush it down the toilet and begin your recovery. I cant (although would love to literally)flush this man down the toilet. I need him financially and share the children. I feel that until they are grown, I will be stuck, without the ability to move forward and find a relationship that is normal!
This really strikes a chord with me, Savannah. I’ve been targetted by narcissists and bullies all of my life, starting with my own family. However, the one who I’d forgotten had harmed me badly was my son’s father. He left when my boy was less than two years old, which was 33yrs ago, yet he kept coming back occasionally and we remained friends.
Fast forward to 2009, when I had counselling after a dreadful encounter with another abusive relationship, and since when I’ve gradually found a new self-respect and self-worth, along with a lot of very helpful information.
From then on I’ve remembered the dreadful way that my boy’s dad treated me. He also was never interested in our son, and it became obvious this last couple of years that he was making a play for me again. Bad news! For him, as it happens, because I can now see through him. He is the most intelligent person on the ersth, according to him, but he really isn’t! I was stupid, according to him, but I’m really not, and can now run rings around him. Anyway, I got fed up with his lies, and with all the retrieved memories and the fact that my son won’t have anything to do with him, I went no contact last year.
Thank you very much for such great info, Savannah. And I’d like to give a word of encouragement to anyone still going through this. It will get better. Keep no contact, learn how to spot these people an avoid them, and build up your self-confidence in yourself. And one day you’ll see them for what they are. 🙂