I have a long history of dating dysfunctional people. The one thing I could always be sure of is if he was interested in me, there was definitely something wrong with him. Not because I was such a horrible person, but because it’s what I attracted – exclusively.
When I was in my senior year at University, I remember having to write a huge paper for my Abnormal Psychology class. The topic I chose was Antisocial Personality Disorder.
There were a lot of interesting topics I could have chosen – Schizophrenia, Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder)… but I think I chose Antisocial Personality Disorder, because I just happened to be dating a Psychopath, though I wasn’t aware of it at the time.
I vividly recall reading Hervey Cleckley’s book, The Mask of Sanity. I remember it so clearly because my jaw hit the floor as I went over his checklist of Psychopathic traits and it became very clear just what I was dealing with in my personal life and I very abruptly ended my relationship.
A decade later, he contacted me on Facebook. I was shocked to hear from him, to say the least. His message was full of compliments and I was very curious about whether or not I was right about him, so I responded.
As the weeks went by, I would respond to his messages here and there, when I was online. One day he told me that he had been arrested. He had knowledge that a friend’s father had $5000 in cash, in his house, so he broke in to steal it and got caught. He described it just like he would describe a casual event. There was no shame, no guilty conscience, no remorse. He was just very matter-of-fact about the whole thing. So I had my answer and stopped all contact.
A few days later I had my Facebook open and I went downstairs to do some laundry. When I came back up there were about 10 different messages from him, saying things like, “Stop ignoring me!!!!! Talk to me. Pay attention to me. Why did you unfriend me?. Why did you talk to me before, just to see if I was down and out? I don’t give a f**k. I’ll get better.”
I didn’t respond and was amazed at just how nonchalant and clueless he was to the idea that maybe I don’t want anyone in my life capable of doing what he had done. A few days later, I got another message from him, apologizing for his behavior and that he was trying to learn how to control his anger. After repeatedly getting no response from me his messages stopped.
That is until last week. Seven years later I got the message, “I hope you don’t hate me.” If I wasn’t, “in the business,” per se, I would have blocked him and not bothered to read any of his messages, but at this point, I find people like him are great teachers and any feelings I ever had for him were gone decades ago.
When I read the message, I rolled my eyes, shook my head and laughed at the absurdity of it all. When I dissected it, I couldn’t help but think – there was a lot to be learned by his behavior.
The Feeler
“I hope you don’t hate me.”
This phrase is what’s called a feeler. He’s trying to test the water to see if I’m receptive. It’s just the right tone, just enough to mean something – if I’m open to it, or just light enough to mean nothing – if I take offence.
It’s akin to some of the most common feeler phrases by emotional manipulators like, – “I miss you. I’ve been thinking of you. You’ve been on my mind.” All of these are just ambiguous enough to mean nothing at all, yet the possibility of something more is distinctly implied. The manipulator is sticking his lure in the water to see if he/she can catch a fish.
Do not be fooled by these phrases – they mean nothing except – I’m looking for a way in.
I Reserve the Right to Show Up at Any Time
Regardless of how much time has gone by there is always the potential that they will appear once they have labeled you as a source of supply. There is no thought to what might be going on in the life of their former partner, or how their contact might affect them. The only thing they are thinking of is what they want at that moment.
The shame, guilt or common decency that would normally enter the thinking process just isn’t there. The empathy required to put the needs and feelings of others ahead of their own is non-existent and this is how it manifests in their behavior.
The, ‘I Have Feelings/I’ve Changed/I Care,’ Routine
“I hope you don’t hate me.”
What the sender is trying to convey here is that he deeply regrets what he has done to me in the past. The implication is that he’s taken ownership of his past behavior and is looking for forgiveness and to make amends. The problem is, he doesn’t regret what he has done. He takes ownership of nothing, nor will he ever make amends. He has no insight and no empathy, so he cannot possibly fathom what his behavior did to me.
He has always been parasitic, feeding off of anyone unfortunate enough to walk across his path. People have always been pawns to him, so the idea that he could be remorseful is so outlandish, it’s laughable. He’s a psychopath – he has no conscience, no guilt, no remorse and no ability to change that.
By trying to quietly sneak in a, “I hope you don’t hate me,” he’s trying to tweak any sentiment I may have for him. Poor him – everybody hates him. Codependents are quick to envelope anyone in need of love. He’s done this before with me, with great success, so it was a clever move on his part.
In Cleckley’s book, he describes how Psychopaths mimic socially acceptable behavior. They are empty, incapable of forming attachment bonds with anyone. They are able to get by and fool others by watching those around them and mimicking their behavior. They use whatever works to get them what they want and feel nothing for intentionally deceiving their partners. They are predatory, always on the hunt for the weak gazelle in the herd.
The message he sent me wasn’t just an easy, breezy, passing fancy and he wasn’t looking to just say, “hi.” He most definitely had an agenda.
The Agenda
Why does he keep coming back? He must want me. I mean, there must be some kind of cosmic connection between us, some soul mate kinda thing going on, right?…
Ah-no. He keeps coming back, because he wants something – plain and simple. He needs – money, a place to stay, sex, food, attention, an ego stroke, someone to care about him, or he may know that his current victim has just about had enough of him and he’s looking for some options on where to go next….
He wants supply in whatever form he needs it at that moment. That’s all. I was probably not even the only woman he messaged on Facebook that day. He probably threw out a few feelers. I’m sure his primary target is the one with the most resources, but when you’re desperate – anyone will do.
So many get hung up on the mixed messages they get. Mixed messages convey exactly what they’re meant to – today I feel this way – tomorrow I feel this way. It’s more than just being uncertain about someone – they tell the story of someone who’s desires change at a moment’s whim. They’re indicative of someone who cares only about getting their needs met and they are completely oblivious as to how their behavior comes across and effects others.
Looking at it objectively, as I’m able to do now, his attempt at a comeback seems so outrageous, I actually laughed out loud. But until this kind of thing is taught to young people in schools and parents are taught to encourage self-esteem and self-worth, there will always be predators and there will always be victims. I’m sure he will find someone who hasn’t woken up yet, someone who is still looking for validation and love from those incapable of giving it to them. There’s nothing I can do about his next victim – all I can do, is make sure it isn’t me.
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This is a great article!! Every word is true!
It’s been almost 6 mos since my ex narc of a year dumped me and quickly moved on with another or others.
Guess what?? Yep, he emailed me out of the blue. All conservative asking how I am, what have I been doing, how’s my job. And he ends it with “sometimes I think of how we loved” and certain things “remind him of me”. Huh?
So I spent a few days thinking about him and all the painful crap I put in the rear view mirror. I suspect he has a gf now, and when we were together he’d reach out to exes like this because they were “friends”. So I was wondering ‘why’ and I got mad thinking ‘how can he?’ after hearing from him. It’s not about me! It’s not about our relationship or his feelings for me. It’s about his own selfishness. I kept repeating Its Not About Me!
I just KNEW this day would come, like a shark circling their old hunting grounds. I knew he’d come around again, I even joked it would be 6 months and he’ll reach out. Typical narcissist through and through. Totally predictable behavior.
In order to not get sucked in, I come here and start reading all the articles again. No, I did not respond. I admit, I couldn’t breath after I saw his email come in and it caused me some confusion. But mostly it brought me back to a time when I felt powerless. We have to remain strong and be prepared for the boomerang of these people.
Hi Savannah ,
Another weak gazelle here, this post makes so much sense, I can really relate, just feel such a fool, so nieve.
Feel trapped as I can’t let go but know that I have to,
Thanks for the article it’s started to open my eyes.
Savannah
great article
I wondered if the applies to bipolar manic?
Pretty sure it’s a yes !
Great article. Much of what was described can be applied to bed folks diagnosed or with traits.
Sorry about the typos. It should have read, “borderline personality disorder, diagnosed or with traits”
Savannah, I love your articles, this is fantastic, as I believe that I was married to a psychopath vs. Narcissist for over 20 years. Yes, they come out of no where with needing you and wanting you, even if you live in the same house!! I’ve been to court trying to get stalking order, they are clever, reveal just enough, but not enough for legal action. Thankfully the judge I saw told him it was his fault and I could still send him to jail for harassment. Thankfully no contact, they can’t ruin their false image. Psychopath free website (and this one) probably saved my sanity.
I have a wonderful partner in my life now, even was in court with me, our partnership is not all about him. He owns his mistakes, makes amends, sometimes it seems so foreign, then I read articles like this and it just reminds me that yes, I’m on the right track. Just an FYI I didn’t date for a couple years, everyone’s time is different, listen to your instincts. Thanks again Savannah!!!! You help more people than you know.
Oh Savannah, SPOT ON.
Exactly what happened to me only recently, she came back saying all those things.
I miss you, I think about you everyday, Your the love of my life. Again my Codependancy lapped it up.
Until I upset her when I started to lay some boundaries ( I never have before) and asked her to stop talking about her last girlfriend constantly and focus on me. Then I messaged the last girlfriend from her phone while she was in the kitchen and told some home truth about the present situation.
Xxxxxxx freaked out told me “I’m gone” hahaha I have heard that several times over 10 years.
Anyway, I haven’t heard from her since.
Thanks for this wonderful article. Love xx
So glad not to be the weak gazelle in the herd any more. Partially thanks to this site and the information provided here!!
I, like you, seem to be a magnet for guys like this. I’ve got to the point that in my late 40s’ I prefere staying home with the dog and my original narcissist. At least I’m onto my elderly mother and can see her coming.
This article is the best thing I have read about these people. It’s like reading a story about my life so far. Thank you. I’m going to keep this one handy whenever my self worth takes a dive. I know he will never completely go away but the love for myself and our son kicks his pathetic attempts at contact every time 🙂
How does a psychopath differ from a narcissist? They seem to be one in the same.
You got me on the ‘mixed messages’.
Only 3 weeks post b/u and I’m not sure he is a full on narcissist. However the way he broke up was pretty self-sighted. (Hence why I was blind-sighted)
Still painful.
I love your work!
Timely and very helpful. After years away and a lot of work, I find myself in the neighborhood of an old narc and letting my romantic fantasy get the best of me. A well needed smack upside the head that this is not a road I want to travel again! Just when I get in a good place, I start to forget. This article was a great reminder of how this is a continual battle for me. Thank you, Savannah.
Hi warrior,
It’s easy to get comfortable and forget. I learned something in therapy. When an emotion comes up, feel it and then examine what you the inner child is feeling. Then what you the adult is feeling. This helps me to sift through the old stuff and respond as an adult. Adults are responsible and protect the child. Doing this has really helped me to re center.
I need to keep this on auto play as a reminder!
Good articles !! Dating world is very scary. That’s why I hardly date. I try to meet people through references only. Even though people ( including my daughter) tell me to go on dating websites!! So easy to be reeled in and fooled , only to be betrayed and lied to , and manipulated etc…. Some guys like to play mind games. Not for me!! I’m looking for serious monogamous relationship only. No Narcissists wanted!!!!! Lol. Not really funny. They are actually very hurtful!!! . Trauma.
Not easy being out there. Was separated for many years. Now going on one year divorced.
Moving forward cautiously.
Live and learn. Fool no longer.
One also has to take into account ones family. Safety and peace for all ☮️
The mixed messages. That’s what kept me in a dysfunctional painful friendship much longer than it should have been. I was constantly ignored for long periods until some type of family and/or financial drama would happen. I would think “we must still be close, who shares that kind of personal/private information with people they don’t really care about?”. And I would fall back into being her cheerleader/enabler/ego stroker etc…. That kept me stuck for so long. Why was I one of the first she texted about a tragedy? I now think it was to hear what I would say, as an empath, so she could use my words in texts to other people to respond appropriately. She always used the excuse “I’m just bad with words” whenever I was hurt by something she said. Has anyone else experienced this? The oversharing and then basically being discarded or ghosted until the next time? Slowly healing. It’s almost harder with a friendship, people expect you to struggle with romantic breakups. Friendships you are supposed to just get over….
Ann,
I can really relate to what you said. I was just at my counselor’s last night downloading about how I ended a fairly recent female friendship. There were all kinds of red flags but it took a different friend saying, “If this was a man you never would have gone on a second date.” I then discussed with my counselor the blind spot I have toward female friendships. I suppose women with narcissistic mothers or sisters might not have this blind spot but my abusive relationships have been primarily men so I am almost hyper-vigilant with the opposite sex but very accommodating with women.
I am healing up thanks to this journey into facing and delving into my co-dependency (and Savannah is a major lifeline for me to keep me moving forward into this difficult task) and this year I ended two female friendships. The first one was many years long and she did what your friend did — big emotional dumps and then no reciprocation. I’d just lost my dad and wanted space from her weekly needy texts during which she would hammer away at me until I’d finally call her. I drew very firm boundaries and was CLEAR. I said I needed to not have her text me at all except once a week to see if we could set a phone appointment. I also said no more than an hour on the phone and most likely I could only do every other week. Given that I am a Victim Assistant on my job and a paralegal, this was a lot of time to give anyone when I was so depleted by the transition of grief and loss. Three times I drew this boundary and three times she busted it. I finally just blocked her calls and deleted her FB friendship. Months later I got a very guilt inducing Christmas card which I threw away. I felt exhausted just opening it!
This most recent friend came into my life right as the other one exited (funny how the Universe gives us lots of practice in our new behaviors!) She reminded me A LOT of my 20 years-plus friend in that she was pushy, abrasive, self-centered and opportunistic. Yet she needed me. So I cautiously spent some time with her. This last week she came over to my house twice and simply walked right in. Once while I was napping and the second time while I was in the bathroom. The guilt-trip she laid on me worked until I went over to her house to have dinner and ended up buying and picking up dinner because she suddenly didn’t feel like cooking. And I “owed her.”
Done. No need to do 20-plus years this time. I gracefully exited out of the obligation I had to watch her cat and will block her calls if necessary. Hopefully I won’t have to due to the fact that we live in such a small town.
I think we empaths who are co-dependent — and I don’t think they always go together but they often do — don’t value what we give until it drains us and we suddenly realize our tank is on zero. A clue for me in what you said is that your friend would disappear. People who are empathic themselves know how much that hurts and don’t do it. “Reciprocation.” Say it three times. “Reciprocation. Reciprocation. Reciprocation.” If it isn’t there you shouldn’t be either!
I think I have the same blind spots with female friendships sigh…. like you I’m seeing red flags in another friendship. We got closer because I helped her through a health crisis. My overboard helping is part of the problem because my empathy is easily triggered. Say the magic words “I feel abandoned” “I feel so alone” “nobody cares about me” and I come running to prove I’m not like that. That I do care. I’m working with a therapist also to untangle all of this. This current friend is not as bad as the ex-friend, but I feel like the universe is saying “well, you didn’t quite learn the lesson with that one, so here’s a lesser version of a user to drive the lesson home”. Part of the problem also is this person is mutual friends with the ex-friend. I thought I could handle, but I’m not sure I can. I wish there was more info about handling mutual people. People who never got as close to the narc to see what I saw and experienced just don’t understand. Good luck to you, talking about it to people who truly get it helps me.
Great reminder to us, even the ones who believe they are awoke. My empathic nature always falls back to – they must really need love (something they didn’t receive early on). Even if that is the case, they are incapable of reciprocating. Hardest lesson to learn…a true wolf in sheep’s clothing.
Excellent article — should be run about five times a year. It is easy to succumb to the psychopath’s ‘dipstick.’ e-mails.
Dear Heaven, Savannah—You never cease to be spot on. Another gold star article!