“My biggest pet peeve?” She was asked. “It’s people who create their own problems and then complain about the outcome, while expecting everyone else to fix it.” – Unknown
Last week I was talking to a client about teaching. She rolled her eyes as she told me about her desire to coach people, as if she were saying, “I know me as a life coach …right…what a joke.”
“Who better than you?” I said. “Who better than someone who has lived it and found the other side?” I gave her the best piece of advice I could and it was something like this:
Share with people what you know. Tell them every horrific detail if you think it will be beneficial to do so, but you must let it stop there. You cannot allow yourself to become too invested in their progress. You can’t shove your ideas down someone else’s throat. You can’t say, “This is the way. The only way and you have to do exactly what I say. You have to let people figure it out for themselves. You can’t do the work for them. You can’t push people every step of the way. All you can do is turn the light on and if they come towards it, it is because they want to and because they are ready.
Codependents have an incredible gift of figuring out everyone else’s problems and then finding the best way to implement their solutions. They are most comfortable focusing the spotlight on their nearest and dearest and least comfortable focusing the spotlight on themselves. You will often find them in the helping/fixing field as an occupation. They are ready, willing and able to go to the mat for other people and not so inclined to do it for themselves.
There seems to be an unconscious belief amongst codependents that if they could get this person to change, by getting them to do A, B and C, then they’d be a perfect couple. Then we’d have our fantasy relationship. The problem arises when their partners refuse to do A,B and C and instead does X,Y, and Z, because telling an emotional manipulator that you would really like them to do something is like giving them a handful of grenades to throw at you.
Codependents also have a problem with control. They have a very difficult time trusting other people to get things done. Its obvious roots come from having to fend for themselves, or be responsible for other people at an early age, at the same time learning that people can’t be trusted. They exemplify the motto if you want something done right do it yourself. They’re the ones who have been in relationships and because their partner was so irresponsible they had to do all the work for them. This in turn allows their partners to continue to be irresponsible, because they are always saved from any repercussions to their actions and it creates an enabling environment.
The Fixing Stops Here
I have a friend I haven’t seen in years, but I still keep in touch with him over the phone and through social media. He’s got a heart of gold. He’s an old choir boy, who always believes people will do the right thing.
About 6 years ago his mother died, leaving just he and his sister. His sister was named executer of the estate and the estate consisted of a million dollar house.
The sister told him she wanted to stay in the house and go back to school. Rather than sell the house and get his share immediately, he permitted it and the year turned into two, then three, and here we are six years later, she’s still living in the house, living off of her parents money and investments, and he has nothing and is days away from being evicted if he doesn’t come up with $3000 for back rent owing.
He has asked and begged and pleaded for her to sell the house and give him his share. At this point, she is so used to him being all smoke and no fire that she has just stopped listening. We’ve had several conversations about this situation and my advice to him has always been ‘sue her.’ She has broken the law by not following through on your mother’s Will, which stipulates that everything be split 50/50 between you. The only way you’re going to get her to act is through the courts. He would agree, but then continue to do nothing. He’d find himself in a tight financial space and then find another way out of it, from borrowing, to selling off all his assets – but he just wouldn’t do what needed to be done to get his fair share of his parents estate.
So now his financial situation is dyer and he is out of options. It’s going to leave him and his wife without a place to live and here he is now on the phone with me. As a recovering codependent my first thought was to lend him the money, my second thought was to figure out a way for him to get it and then for me to implement these steps and save the day. Luckily for me I was able to take a step back and recognize that my codependency was rearing its ugly head.
It took me a long time to learn that people don’t benefit from not experiencing the consequences of their own actions. When you always bail people out of their jams it robs them of a great opportunity for growth, because I really believe that we learn a lot more from pain and loss than we do from success.
I thought about my friend’s situation and I realized that this is the Universe’s way of shoving him out of his comfort zone, enough to force him off his ass and sue this woman and the worse thing I could do was interfere with that. Necessity really is not only the mother of invention, it’s also the mother action.
Because of his faith in people and his disbelief that his sister would actually screw him out of his inheritance, he was blinded to the fact that her behavior showed she did not care about his well-being. Nothing short of this happening was going to get him to open his eyes and get him into a lawyer’s office.
Letting others experience the consequences of their actions, doesn’t mean we stop being or acting like a friend. It doesn’t mean we’re not supportive, or that we can’t give advice or our opinion, but I’ve learned that I don’t have to rescue people. It’s not healthy for me. It’s not my job. I’m not more well equipped to deal with hardship. I’m not smarter, or more disciplined than they are. The best way people learn is by doing. So letting them deal with their problems on their own is a better teacher than any of us could ever be.
I believe the best gift you could ever give someone is the girt of autonomy. How does that old saying go? “You can give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, or you can teach a man to fish and he’ll fish for a lifetime?” Healthy people take responsibility for their own actions and they solve their own problems.
A big part of managing codependency is letting go of the need to control everything. You don’t have to fix everything. You don’t have to charge in and rescue, you can sit back and let be people be responsible for themselves and still be a good friend, mother, father, partner, or person.
Allowing someone to suffer the consequences of their actions doesn’t make you selfish. It doesn’t mean you don’t care. It’s not an easy excuse so that you don’t have to get involved. Letting people solve their own problems is not only good for them, but it shows that you can let go and not have to be in control all the time.
Your amazing powers of ‘fixability’ won’t make you more likable to others. They won’t make you more popular or indispensable. It makes you someone that doesn’t know when to let go and someone that doesn’t understand boundaries.
When you can let go and stop being so invested in the problems of other people you have more time and energy to focus on your own wellbeing. You don’t get inundated with other people’s negativity, nor do you have the pressure and anxiety that accompany it. When you take on someone else’s problems you end up absorbing the energy of that problem. Your priority should be keeping your energy clean, healthy and positive. You don’t need the burden, it’s not your responsibility. Be a friend, give advice, but know where the line is.
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Wow! Savannah that was me, I went as far as buying him suits – expensive design ones, and he has never bought me even a hanky/serviette! Now his friends are laughing at him. What a shame..
Emerson: To me this article exemplifies one of the basic premises I took away from AL anon. You can care about someone without taking care of them. It’s a fine line for Co dependents. For me. When we take away someone’s ability to care for themselves do things for them that they should be doing for themselves we take away their right to make their own mistakes and learn from them. Also put ourselves in the firing line of being responsible for things when they go south. Or having to keep things on course when they turn out right. We don’t have a right to play God ( if you believe in Him) with anyone else’s life. Impossible to know what lesson the universe is trying to teach someone else. Not our place to interfere with that. Just my take.
Sometimes people really need help though. Responsible, proactive people can still need help in certain circumstances. I think it’s important to look at overall patterns of behavior. Is this an uber responsible person who life just smashed and who needs help to stand again? Or is this someone who has a history of dragging their feet?
Emerson: I didn’t say don’t help anyone ever again. I said Codependents need to let go of the need to be in control of the outcome. This isn’t a piece on people who need help, it’s an article on people who need to help.
Savannah, you did it again! Can you please stop describing me? 🙂 Yes, right on recovering codependent-self is thinking this why we get stuck and buried with a narc for so long : we just cannot believe someone would really and seriously treat us so cruel. So on top of being repeatedly humiliated we question what is wrong with US! Because we just expect from people the same that we would give to them. And as codependents we give and give and give… Then at the peek point of all the suffering we wake up like a drunk with an awefull headache realizing: Wait a minute…this person IS deliberately treating me like the dirt under his shoes! This DOES exist!
All my friends out there: do whatever it takes to bite through the withdrawals and switch to healthy water! Embrace yourself, define your boundaries and make the best of ALL you’ve got. (I am talking to myself too).
Thank you Savannah and this community!
I think we all walk a fine line. Too much. Not enough. Sure grow. Learn about you. Don’t make the same mistakes. Learn from the past. But. I wonder if certain things about US can ever really be changed or if we really want them to. Doesn’t alot of it make us who we are? I hear “live in the moment” alot. Don’t look back nor forward. Easy for some. Especially those that aren’t single parents. You are only looking out for you. Being a single parent icludes responsibility for other lives. And forward thinking. And planning. Sometimes as a single parent you just can not put yourself first. Nor stay uninvolved. Consequences can be dire if you do. So. You become selfless out of necessity. And that spills over. Hard to turn the switch on and off. Because. Isn’t that how we got where we are? From parents and families that were “not present”? Just my thoughts that we are not all cookie cutter.
NOONESFOOL there is a lot of literature out there that tells us that the majority of our behavior is not from nature but from nurture, meaning we learn our behaviors. Of course people can change. I’m not the same person I was a year ago, two years ago, 5 years ago… I think differently, I act differently…When you are a single parent of course that stretches into doing what’s right for you and your child. When it comes to having to deal with your ex because of co parenting issues, you just engage in conversation about the child, nothing personal – you can call that cookie cutter if you like or you can see the logic in it, the way you perceive things is up to you.
Savannah,
I am in the midst of my second divorce from N#2. This time around I have found a wonderful Psychologist who has recently brought to my attention that I have lived my life as a co dependent and how that has affected my relationships. Your description was scary spot-on and I am thankful that I can now recognize it. I totally get where Noonesfool is coming from though, as I too raised my daughters as a single parent. N#1 is their father. That divorce nearly killed me, but I had people around me that helped me through and I was able to move forward. I was devistaed and literally struggling to survive, but unfortunately, at the time, I did not see or understand that he is a Narcissist or how just being me, I am subject to attracting that kind of person. I am guilty of the selflessness that comes w/being a single parent. I put most of my energy into raising my two girls bc I take that job very seriously. I also agree with the research and your point about the influence of nurture. My mother became ill when I was 7 and passed when I was 13. My father (I now know) took my adolescent from me in that I became housekeeper, cook, and parent to my younger brother. I was “taught” to put everything else before myself and I was not able to have a normal adolescence or go through the necessary developmental stages of adolescence, and thus I have struggled all of my adult life w/forming friendships and relating to people. Not to mention being a prime target for two narcissistic husbands who took all that I had to give and walked away. To quote Lucky4Angel, the realization that “this person IS deliberately treating me like the dirt under his shoes!” I have had the most difficult time with this part of it…”we just cannot believe someone would really and seriously treat us so cruel. It DOES exist”. I can so relate to everything Lucky4Angel wrote about his/her experience. My heart is broken, again and I may never be able to trust another relationship, but I am in a better place in that I am learning to understand my codependency, trying to heal and focus more on what makes me happy. Although I have never truly understood what my childhood experiences have done to me, I have always known that somehow I was not ok. Ironically, I have always kept a little known song by Barry Manilow (don’t laugh) in the recesses of my mind that descibes how I have silently felt for most of my life. The song is called “I wanna be somebody’s baby”. It is worth looking up the lyrics – very applicable to most of our circumstances. Thank you for this place to share. Peace.
Savannah-
Thanks so much for this reminder and for all you do. I was absolutely drawn to my N because she was so good at acting vulnerable and innocent and in need of help in so many areas. I found out later of course it was all a huge act, an endless grand manipulation. But it tapped my very deep need to help, nurture, guide and fix people. It revealed how porous my boundaries were. Her problems were my problems, there was no distance or protective barrier between us. I was enmeshed — and I thought it was love.
You hit on the root causes as I’ve come to see them: my need to fix and control was based on anxiety and fear. If my N was not ok then I was not ok. I was so used to thinking first last and always of those near to me I had no time left for myself. That’s because I was trained as a child that if the people around mexerdnt happy I was in for pain and punishment. So out of self preservation I be and hyper vigilant to the needs of others. I did out of fear and it became second nature. Ns have a fantastically sensitive radar for people like me — they see a golden opportunity to be admired, pampered, spoiled and taken care of. My N often said I was the best boyfriend she ever had. She probably says that to all the men she keeps in her orbit. But in any case it’s no compliment. It means I was a flaming codependent willing to do anything for her. There was no room for me: the perfect setup for an N who wants everything to be about her.
Now I see my codependence much more clearly. Thanks in part to your posts and the comments of everyone here.
Hurtin Cowboy
Once again fantastic article with impeccable timing! I enjoy your articles every week, some of them I go ugh I need some more me work, others like this one I’m like yes!!!! The pain, the PTSD after 20+ years, enduring, working on myself all worth it! I have healed more than I thought and my boundaries are good, a little work needed but good! I have come across multiple things these last few weeks where I was in an advisory position, I was able to share my experience (what I wanted to), say what helped me and leave the rest to the other people, without taking on stuff that isn’t mine to go through. Yay!!!!!
I just say to everyone take care of you, work on what you need and you will find your peace and joy again.
Thank you again Savannah!!!!!! You are a true blessing to many.
My narcissist wife was a blessing and a curse. She kept telling me all the things wrong with me and I did something about things she was right about. I discovered she was just like mom and dad who were also narcissists and I went through many childhood issues. The curse was living with the cruelty and arrogance. I love reading others posts it make me not feel alone. Thank you all
Savannah,
Another well-written very useful article. Now that I am year three away from my N relationship, I have been like a ripple in the pond in my learning: everyone else who is a narcissist is now having to be dealt with. I truly am grateful for my N lover because he was the key to the kingdom for me. I went through years of therapy, Al Anon (I still go), two alcoholic partners, but until I read “The Psychopath Next Door” I didn’t know that my father was a narcissist. It took me two years of the last three to understand this very baffling personality but once I did I finally “got it.” He would never see me. He would never hear me and he would never even miss me. Finally, finally, I could see why I kept choosing men and women who were incapable of listening.
As I read this article I realized that the reason I have been a fixer is that if I can’t be seen I can at least be needed. And secondly, that fixing and rescuing was the only form of control I felt I had in my childhood. My childhood was all about feeding all the blind cave fish and learning to feel my way around in the dark.
It is a higher level of healing for me to now notice that letting people go is far more loving than letting myself rescue. My most recent lesson was with a man who latched onto me like a sucker fish and wouldn’t go away. He wanted me to fix him so badly, to rescue, to save, nurture, that I had all these bad dreams. One was of a baby that crawled after me and then develoved fangs and latched onto my leg. That is so much what my childhood was like.
Kudos to the lady above who moved away and even had the courgae to leave behind her children. That wasw so incredibly brave. I know there must be grief in that for you but you did the right thing. The world has given me “children of the heart” and you will find them, too.
Thank you for this article, and all the others. I look forward to them. Can never stop learning how to make life better.
With everything going on in the world, my problems seems stupid and trivial.
Not only did I Divorce my N Ex of 30 years, but I also had to Divorce my grown Daughters who acted like my Ex. He systematically through the years turned them against me and became their ” pal”.
I moved away, got a job, bought a house. Finally feeling the love and freedom I deserve. It’s been six years since the Divorce.
I googled their names, and they are all caught up in their drama, of drugs, alcohol, sex, marrying women beaters.
The same thing was going on when I was their slave and they wouldn’t accept any authority or advice from me.
I am thankful for the peace that I have now.
They will never change. It’s sad that I can’t be in my own kid’s lives.
But as Les Brown said, ‘One to a box.’ Meaning you get buried alone.
If something happened to me, they wouldn’t be there, except to try to collect.
I too am divorcing my N after 35 years…most of the info I read, marriages didn’t last that long, but some do, and mine did. I often wonder why it took so long for him to find his shiny new thing, but now I think it is because in the last 3 years of our marriage, I ‘checked out”, I no longer laughed at his repeated stories about himself, often telling him each time, that they were different each time he told them. I didn’t “adore” him or treat him special, bc mostly, I was tired of the physical, emotional and verbal abuse. I had wanted out for years, and now it has happened, and I hate the way I am sad, I “miss” him, and the hovering and the still verbal and emotional abuse he is putting me through…stalking, checking on me, asking my 2 kids all the time about me…even though my daughter has turned against me, and is on his side and thinks that I am not right, and tries to control me (just like he did) and since I am not letting anyone control me anymore, she does not like that at all, and is removing me from her life. I look forward to peace on my own, not having to look over my shoulder, and love from a good person, if I find him!
Excellent article. More people should read this.
Thank you Savannah, I needed the reinforcement of hearing this today. I am trying to be strong and stick with the boundaries I have learned to set. My ex boyfriend recently broke up with me because of his emotional issues. He created drama then claimed he was the victim! Now he is practically begging me to take him back. I laughed and walked away. He needs to suffer the consequences of his own decision making. He didn’t recognize a good thing when he had it. I get stronger every day and feel good about myself. I used to be a suffering codependent. People actually called me a doormat. No more, baby! And people don’t like it! Keeps me laughing! Have a wonderful empowering day, Savannah!
Thank you so much for your posts Savannah ever since i started reading them i now have self esteem something i didn’t have.
I have a thirty three year old daughter and is a single mother who has two children.They moved in with me a couple of years ago and my daughter is always running away from home to stay with friends, i have been begging her to stay at home but after a few days she runs away again.I finally stopped begging her to stay and let her be i want her to face the consequences of her actions